pensnest: bright-eyed baby me (AJ)
pensnest ([personal profile] pensnest) wrote2008-06-25 01:50 pm

random thoughts on genderswitch

So, I'm just wondering, how is it that so many people who write boy-turns-into-girl fics seem to think that a boy's jeans will just slide right off a girl's hips? Because, no!

I just read a (really cool) AJ-as-girl story, in which girl!AJ had to have a belt to hold up his jeans. AJ. Who practically *has* no hips. Now, if she'd been unable to pull them up over her newly-feminine hips, that would have made sense. No doubt a female version of AJ Maclean would be small and wiry and not endowed with lush curves like, say, a female Nick would be (cor!), but there are certain fundamentals, if you'll excuse my saying so, of feminine anatomy, and one is that the hips *exist*.

So, peeps. What's with the hipless wonders?
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[personal profile] nopseud 2008-06-25 02:18 pm (UTC)(link)
That's weird. I guess I could maybe see it if there was going to be a significant change of build. Like, if Joey turned into a tiny slender little girl, obviously all his/her clothes would suddenly be huge. {pauses to boggle at this idea} But AJ? To have any narrower a pelvis than he has already, he'd need to lose a few internal organs.

Unless, I guess, he lost a lot of height, too, and got proportionately tinier all over. At which point, he'd be about four foot six. Or...are you sure he didn't turn into a fairy? Were there maybe some gossamer wings mentioned? :-)

[identity profile] llamabitchyo.livejournal.com 2008-06-25 02:45 pm (UTC)(link)
I think it's coming from girls who assume men are always bigger than girls no matter what. I'm not sure if that's because they're tiny little girls or all the guys they know are huge.

But yeah. If a man's shirt fits me, his jeans sure as hell won't.

(A female Nick would be pretty hot...)

[identity profile] llamabitchyo.livejournal.com 2008-06-25 03:24 pm (UTC)(link)
I vote no as well. Lance has buffed up and toned down, but there's no hiding that he has a great ass. JC's attributes, while many, aren't in the curvy-backside department. JC's gotta be wearing smaller pants.

But I'll volunteer to take the measurements! :D

[identity profile] queenydiva.livejournal.com 2008-06-25 04:05 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm gonna have to go along with you on the great ass/flat ass differential. Also, can I go with you when you take the measurements? I can hold the tape while you examine closely to make sure the measurements are right! ;)

[identity profile] llamabitchyo.livejournal.com 2008-06-25 04:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes! :D

I'll definitely need an assistant.

[identity profile] trumpeterofdoom.livejournal.com 2008-06-25 02:55 pm (UTC)(link)
In my head if AJ ever turned into a girl he'd have hips like Pink, ie, not many curves. In fact, he'd have a body just like hers, really, with tiny boyhips and some quite nice boobs.

I have to use this opportunity to use my new icon.
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[identity profile] turloughishere.livejournal.com 2008-06-25 03:18 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't read many turns-into-a-girl stories but I do read some and I can't remember ever coming across this. T-shirts being stretched out of shape, yes, but nothing really about trousers.
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[identity profile] turloughishere.livejournal.com 2008-06-25 05:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Indeed! As would girl!Nick I can imagine.

[identity profile] buddleia.livejournal.com 2008-06-25 04:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Pfuh, that's that whole nonsense about hot guy size =/= hot girl size. I think it's quite hard to avoid, although I've seen some really good genderswitch stories that addressed it.

Nick would so bust out of his shirt buttons *goes woozy*

[identity profile] dine.livejournal.com 2008-06-25 05:04 pm (UTC)(link)
mmmmm, the thought of Nick-as-a-girl just made me flail (and drool a little). sign me up for that!

[identity profile] trumpeterofdoom.livejournal.com 2008-06-25 05:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Re: girl!Nick, have you seen pictures of his sister Leslie?
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[personal profile] rikes 2008-06-25 06:20 pm (UTC)(link)
OMG SO FREAKY.

[identity profile] trumpeterofdoom.livejournal.com 2008-06-25 06:45 pm (UTC)(link)
SHE IS SO GIRL!NICK. Just like how Aaron is clone!Nick!
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[personal profile] rikes 2008-06-25 06:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Perhaps they all turn into 12-year-old girls? Then it would make sense.

And if any part of me exists, it's the hips. :D
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[personal profile] nopseud 2008-06-25 07:36 pm (UTC)(link)
All these comments are making me want to write girl!Nick. :-)
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[identity profile] milosflaca.livejournal.com 2008-06-25 07:55 pm (UTC)(link)
oh please do that! You are my favorite writer and nothing would make me happier than to read a gender bender (my favorite stories) written by you *puppy eyes*
And toss a howie there now that you are at it. :D
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[personal profile] nopseud 2008-06-25 08:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Hee! And thank you :-) But I already have a favourite girl!Howie story, up there in the links.
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[identity profile] milosflaca.livejournal.com 2008-06-25 08:24 pm (UTC)(link)
you mean, What Makes You Different, Makes You Beautiful? Or a fic you wrote?
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[personal profile] nopseud 2008-06-25 08:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, 'What Makes You Different, Makes You Beautiful'. Which I love to bits (even though the slightl evil!Brian in it makes me sad).
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[identity profile] milosflaca.livejournal.com 2008-06-25 08:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, that fic is wonderful. One of my favorites I have to say.
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[identity profile] milosflaca.livejournal.com 2008-06-25 07:51 pm (UTC)(link)
mmm I see your point there, but as a girl that LOVES gender bender fics, it might have to do with the fact, that eventhough we switch the genders it's still hot to think that our boys will look still mannish as women.

It's hot (at least to me it is) to see boys dressed as girls. Don't ask me why it just works for me.

So maybe in an attempt of not loosing that man side of the characters we tend to say that the now girl is hipless or something like that.
Of course it gets worse with AJ, who is skinny as hell and after all there are women who have no hips. Those kind of women that you stare at them from the back and you swear they are men and when they turn around no! they are women.

I don't know if this makes sense or not...
But I do love gender benders. Those are my favorite kind of fics I must admit.

[identity profile] puszysty.livejournal.com 2008-06-25 10:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Yea, he'd never get his guy pants over his thighs, forget keeping on the hips. I think maybe people think that because the girls who do wear guy's pants were the druggie high school kids who bought pants 3 sizes too big, so they sagged. *shrug*

Plus, I know I'd never fit in JC's pants, having seen a pair! So skinny, omg.

[identity profile] puszysty.livejournal.com 2008-06-25 11:09 pm (UTC)(link)
My brother is ast least twice my size, there is no way I'd fit into his pants :P

To be honest, genderbendy fics are the one genre I really can't bring myself to read.