pensnest: fountain pen nib lying across sheet of writing (pen)
[personal profile] pensnest
This is the downside of the fanfic community writing academy.

Being a fanfic writer has taught me a great deal about writing. I've been part of communities dedicated to improving, or practising, or helping one another. I've had awesome betas. I've learned a good deal about putting a story together well enough for people to enjoy reading it.

Which also means that when I'm presented with a story that has big crunchy holes in it, I'm likely to notice. And be cross.

Beast and I just finished watching Red Election. It's a thriller involving British intelligence, a Scottish independence referendum, Russians, all that.

Now, I have no problem with convoluted spy stuff. I don't seriously expect to follow all the ins and outs of who is loyal to whom, who can be trusted, etc. I'm happy to accept that the story will provide twists and turns and misdirections and reveals and all that stuff.

But I expect the foundations of the story to have some basis in reality. If it purports to be a serious story, I expect matters of fundamental fact, such as GEOGRAPHY, to be respected. It should not be Disney, with raccoons raiding London dustbins, or Thor, with a charmingly compressed Tube system that gets you to Greenwich in four stops. Scotland and London are not five minutes apart.

I expect also to be presented with something that looks plausible, in which plot is not so thinly spread that only gross incompetence makes it possible at all.

Let us suppose that the Prime Minister and his wife are visiting a counsellor. Therapist, psych-something, whatever. Naturally there is secret service protection. Who inexplicably fail to be even slightly competent to prevent someone getting into the building who intends to kill the PM.

If I, who have never been a bodyguard or security detail of any kind, can think, hmm, surely they ought to have checked that each and every car in the car park had an acceptable reason to be there, and that each and every car is empty of lurking people and/or explosive devices, before letting the PM onto the premises, then surely it's a pretty incompetent bunch of protection detail if they don't even manage that. Okay, I once wrote a story from the bodyguard's point of view, so I have perhaps a fraction more clue than... someone who didn't do that, but seriously? Seriously?

If someone picks up someone else's phone, in this day and age is it remotely believable that they would be able to do anything with the phone? My humble, middle-aged iPhone comes with fingerprint reader. Beast's has facial recognition. And both have six-digit passwords. If someone picks up my phone, they won't be able to use it. If someone picks up an MI5 agent's phone, or a government minister's phone, or a SPY's PHONE(!!!), they aren't going to be able to view the messages and listen to the voicemails. It's ludicrous. Everybody knows better.

If someone is imprisoned in a house at an easy distance from London, from which the owner commutes to his office in the middle of London, whither he invites people to dine who were five minutes beforehand IN LONDON, then (a) two people tasked with murdering this imprisoned person should take a few hours to get there from Scotland, and (b) two people returning to Scotland from this very house should not be able to stroll into a building in Scotland without taking a few more hours to get there. In a similar vein, nobody working in London should be able to take a few minutes off from work to murder someone hiding in the woods IN SCOTLAND. Now, if they had established right from the start that this society, which otherwise resembles present-day UK, had transporter technology, or else that each of these hyper-mobile individuals had access to a personal private supersonic plane, well, fine. But they didn't.

If Scotland votes to become independent (and who shall blame them?), nobody with a brain would expect them to be Independent!! (och aye) on the stroke of midnight after the votes are counted.

Oh, and how come the Prime Minister was too thick to notice that five minutes after he entrusted his dear old pal with a secret, that secret was leaked to the press. Every time. How are we supposed to take him seriously at all? (I mean, okay, yes, Jarvis, Jarvis gets my attention, but, no.)

I understand the urge not to weight down the plot of a TV show with unnecessary detail, but when the lack of geography and logic makes it ludicrous, the plot needs a bit of weight added. Non-UK viewers may not entirely appreciate the geographical issues (though they are presented with maps at intervals), but incompetent security detail? Instant independence? Et cetera? The show had plenty of good moments, plenty of tension, twisty-turny stuff and so forth. It caught my attention and I wanted to see what happened next—but, BUT, every so often the show slapped me in the face with its own stupidity and illogic.

A half-decent beta would have held up her hands in horror. Show needed a half-decent beta.

/rant

Date: 2022-11-11 03:53 pm (UTC)
sixbeforelunch: Picard in First Contact, closeup of his face, no text (trek - first contact picard)
From: [personal profile] sixbeforelunch
On a podcast i listen to they were recently talking about how their work in podcasts and YouTube video has made it really hard for them to just sit down and enjoy media because they hear and see all the places where the editing wasn’t perfect. I think anytime you learn how to do something it’s a double edged sword because on the one hand you can appreciate something done well on a whole or level, but otoh you’re going to see the problems that you might not have if you didn’t have such a finely trained eye.

That show sounds like it was lazily written though. It’s amazing how some things can make it into a professional production.

Date: 2022-11-12 03:33 am (UTC)
frausorge: drawing of Jane Austen in a cap with curls around her forehead, looking displeased (might be less intolerable)
From: [personal profile] frausorge
I didn't know that England doesn't have raccoons in the wild! *squints at my fics with an English setting* I don't think I mentioned raccoons anywhere, but maybe I should doublecheck.

Date: 2022-11-12 05:36 pm (UTC)
turlough: Pooh & Piglet & Christopher Robin playing Pooh Sticks, art by E H Shepard ((pooh) friendship)
From: [personal profile] turlough
No raccoons, no gophers, no chipmunks, no skunks, to mention just a few North American animals we don't have in Europe but that I sometimes find in fic. (Yes, Harry Potter fandom, I'm looking at you!)

Date: 2022-11-12 07:11 pm (UTC)
frausorge: Shirley Bennett, Annie Edison, Abed Nadir, Britta Perry, and Troy Barnes gathered around an open laptop on the library table (I got a crew too)
From: [personal profile] frausorge
In fairness, there are other North American animals that have crossed over - I got curious enough to look it up just now and found turkeys, guinea pigs, and some kinds of North American muskrats and squirrels have established themselves in Europe. And apparently there are feral raccoons in Germany that came from imported animals that escaped. So I wouldn't be too hard on fanfic writers who haven't made a point of studying up on specific rodent populations, y'know?

Date: 2022-11-12 07:20 pm (UTC)
turlough: cartoon!McGonagall looking grumpy with the text 'Minerva McGonagall sometimes thinks Hogwarts would be better with no kids' ((hp) grumpy)
From: [personal profile] turlough
That's true. And I think the UK have more of them than we do here in Scandinavia. I know the European red squirrel has been ousted from a large part of Britain by the larger grey squirrel but it's never made any inroads in Scandinavia as far as I know. Still, it would be nice if people did at least a little research! /grumpy purist

Date: 2022-11-12 08:57 pm (UTC)
watervole: (Default)
From: [personal profile] watervole
But it's easy to get native beta readers.
I remember when I was writing in an American fandom, I used a very helpful beta and she had many a good laugh at my cultural mistakes.
Rather a beta has a good laugh then the final readers get thrown out of the story by cultural clangers

Date: 2022-11-12 05:31 pm (UTC)
turlough: colourful Dalek, illustration of Dalek ((dr who) exterminate!)
From: [personal profile] turlough
I always wonder if the writer(s)/creator(s) of something like that don't know better, or if they just don't care. It's really frustrating whatever it is!

Date: 2022-11-12 08:53 pm (UTC)
watervole: (Default)
From: [personal profile] watervole
Oh dear....

Date: 2022-11-13 11:15 am (UTC)
turps: (Default)
From: [personal profile] turps
As cute as they are, I think I'd have a heart attack if I looked outside and saw a raccoon in my garden.

You're right though, decent betas should be used for everything. That would stop any glaring errors.

Date: 2022-11-20 07:24 pm (UTC)
ephemera: celtic knotwork style sitting fox (Default)
From: [personal profile] ephemera
That sounds like a most infuriating watch!

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